{"id":25536,"date":"2022-06-13T23:36:00","date_gmt":"2022-06-13T21:36:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/?p=25536"},"modified":"2022-06-17T10:55:01","modified_gmt":"2022-06-17T08:55:01","slug":"budapeszt-inauguracja-klubow-europy-karpat-w-scruton-cafe","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/ro\/wydarzenia\/budapeszt-inauguracja-klubow-europy-karpat-w-scruton-cafe\/","title":{"rendered":"Budapesta: Inaugurarea Cluburilor Carpathian Europe la Scruton Caf\u00e9"},"content":{"rendered":"

La 13 iunie, \u00een cadrul inaugur\u0103rii Cluburilor Carpathian Europe, a avut loc la Budapesta o dezbatere pe tema rela\u021biilor polono-maghiare \u0219i a r\u0103zboiului din Ucraina.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

La eveniment au participat, printre al\u021bii, Ryszard Terlecki - pre\u0219edintele Sejm-ului.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Marek Kuchci\u0144ski, pre\u0219edintele Comisiei pentru afaceri externe
Bogus\u0142aw Sonik, membru al Parlamentului polonez<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Zsolt N\u00e9meth, pre\u0219edintele Comisiei pentru afaceri externe a Adun\u0103rii Na\u021bionale a Ungariei<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bal\u00e1zs Orb\u00e1n, ministru adjunct la cabinetul prim-ministrului Ungariei<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u0219i oaspe\u021bi - membri ai opozi\u021biei sistemului comunist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Discu\u021bia a fost moderat\u0103 de directorul Institutului Wac\u0142aw Felczak, profesorul Maciej Szymanowski.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Locul de \u00eent\u00e2lnire: cafeneaua Scruton.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Primul vorbitor a fost Balazs Orban. A fost rugat s\u0103 prezinte figura lui Roger Scruton, un filosof \u0219i scriitor conservator, \u0219i s\u0103 explice ce este de fapt o cafenea - un loc de \u00eent\u00e2lnire \u0219i de discu\u021bii bine cunoscut. Cel de-al doilea vorbitor a fost Zsolt N\u00e9meth, care, \u00een introducerea sa, s-a referit la cartea profesorului Ryszard Terlecki, Solidarno\u015b\u0107 1980-1989. The Polish Road to Freedom, care a fost publicat\u0103 recent \u00een Ungaria. Apoi a informat despre planurile de \u00eenfiin\u021bare a cafenelelor Scruton \u00een Polonia, de exemplu \u00een Var\u0219ovia sau Przemy\u015bl. \u00cen partea urm\u0103toare, referindu-se la subiectul panelului, a declarat c\u0103 \u00een ultima vreme prietenia polono-ungar\u0103 a fost pus\u0103 la \u00eencercare. Un progres important a fost vizita \u00een Polonia a pre\u0219edintelui nou ales al Ungariei, iar sosirea delega\u021biei poloneze este un r\u0103spuns la aceasta.
\u0218i-a exprimat convingerea c\u0103, \u00een ceea ce prive\u0219te obiectivele, pozi\u021bia Ungariei \u0219i a Poloniei este aceea\u0219i, dar difer\u0103 \u00een ceea ce prive\u0219te mijloacele \u0219i modul de realizare a acestora. El a declarat sprijinul deplin al Ungariei pentru aderarea Ucrainei la Uniunea European\u0103, a subliniat viziunea sa asupra unei Europe conservatoare - o Europ\u0103 a na\u021biunilor - \u0219i a afirmat c\u0103 este inacceptabil\u0103 reconstruc\u021bia Uniunii Sovietice. Acestea sunt pozi\u021bii comune ale ambelor \u021b\u0103ri. Cu toate acestea, el a men\u021bionat c\u0103 Europa se confrunt\u0103 cu o recesiune economic\u0103 \u0219i c\u0103 sanc\u021biunile ne vor costa foarte mult. Aceast\u0103 abordare difer\u0103 de la o \u021bar\u0103 la alta \u0219i despre acest lucru trebuie s\u0103 discut\u0103m. Moderatorul panelului, profesorul Szymanowski, a luat din nou cuv\u00e2ntul. El a vorbit despre ideea conferin\u021bei \"Europa Carpa\u021bilor\" \u0219i a dat un exemplu concret: postulatul construirii drumului Via Carpatia a fost formulat \u00een timpul uneia dintre conferin\u021be, iar ast\u0103zi ne putem bucura deja de primele efecte - drumul expres par\u021bial construit \u0219i \u00een curs de construc\u021bie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n


A urmat Marek Kuchci\u0144ski, care a explicat ideea din spatele cluburilor Carpathian Europe. Este vorba despre discutarea valorilor noastre, a ideilor, a conservatorismului sau a viziunii lui Roger Scruton. Provoc\u0103rile de ast\u0103zi necesit\u0103 astfel de discu\u021bii comune \u0219i pentru aceasta au fost inaugurate Cluburile Carpathian Europe. De asemenea, a anun\u021bat institu\u021bionalizarea Europei Carpa\u021bilor. Acesta a men\u021bionat faptul c\u0103, prin aderarea la UE, am respins barierele \u0219i frontierele, de exemplu, putem c\u0103l\u0103tori liber, dar unele bariere r\u0103m\u00e2n. R\u0103zboiul din Ucraina este o astfel de barier\u0103, adic\u0103 o nou\u0103 provocare. El a subliniat c\u0103 \u00eent\u0103rirea rela\u021biilor polono-ungare reprezint\u0103 viitorul nostru, dar necesit\u0103 discu\u021bii \u0219i \u0219i-a exprimat satisfac\u021bia c\u0103 acest lucru se \u00eent\u00e2mpl\u0103 acum \u0219i \u00eentr-un loc at\u00e2t de neobi\u0219nuit.
Urm\u0103torul vorbitor a fost vicepre\u0219edintele Sejm-ului, Ryszard Terlecki, care a \u00eenceput prin a spune c\u0103 r\u0103zboiul ne-a luat prin surprindere, at\u00e2t izbucnirea lui, c\u00e2t \u0219i rezisten\u021ba eroic\u0103 a ucrainenilor.
\u0219i neputin\u021ba restului lumii. \u00cen primele zile, ne-am temut de un conflict global, dar ne-am dep\u0103\u0219it teama \u0219i am \u00eenceput s\u0103 ajut\u0103m Ucraina \u00een mod real. Pentru Polonia este evident c\u0103 trebuie s\u0103 ne ajut\u0103m vecinul, care ar trebui s\u0103-\u0219i apere suveranitatea \u0219i, \u00een acela\u0219i timp, s\u0103 sl\u0103beasc\u0103 Rusia. Cu toate acestea, Terlecki \u0219i-a exprimat \u00eengrijorarea c\u0103 pozi\u021biile diferitelor \u021b\u0103ri sunt \u00eemp\u0103r\u021bite. Polonia, printre al\u021bii, a fost surprins\u0103 de faptul c\u0103 Ungaria vede situa\u021bia \u00een mod diferit, dar suntem capabili s\u0103 \u00een\u021belegem acest lucru \u00een contextul economic \u0219i politic. De asemenea, el \u0219i-a exprimat \u00eengrijorarea c\u0103 vizita parlamentarilor polonezi ar putea servi drept propagand\u0103 pentru opozi\u021bie, care ar putea acuza guvernul nostru c\u0103 este pro-Putin prin acest mod de a ac\u021biona. El leag\u0103 acest lucru de faptul c\u0103 se apropie alegerile \u00een Polonia \u0219i c\u0103 acest lucru ar putea fi un argument \u00een campanie. \u00cen Ungaria, situa\u021bia este complet diferit\u0103, deoarece acolo au avut loc deja alegeri. Bogus\u0142aw Sonik a luat apoi cuv\u00e2ntul, spun\u00e2nd c\u0103 problemele cu care ne confrunt\u0103m se refer\u0103 la \u021b\u0103rile libere. Noua problem\u0103 este diferit\u0103 - Ucraina lupt\u0103 pentru libertatea sa, dar \u0219i pentru a noastr\u0103. Sprijinirea Ucrainei are un pre\u021b uria\u0219, dar libertatea \u0219i independen\u021ba sunt nepre\u021buite. Prin urmare, Ungaria nu trebuie s\u0103 se ghideze doar dup\u0103 propriile interese \u0219i nici nu trebuie s\u0103 se team\u0103 de criticile celorlal\u021bi, pentru c\u0103 nu doar Ungaria este criticat\u0103, ci \u0219i Fran\u021ba cu Emanuel Macron \u0219i Germania cu Olaf Scholz, de exemplu. \u00cen cele din urm\u0103, el a ad\u0103ugat c\u0103 e\u0219ecul Ungariei de a sprijini Ucraina a fost perceput de Polonia ca o lips\u0103 de empatie.<\/p>\n\n\n\n


\u00cen continuare, Balazs Orban a luat cuv\u00e2ntul pentru a doua oar\u0103, expun\u00e2nd punctul de vedere al Ungariei, potrivit c\u0103ruia oricine \u00eei poate fi du\u0219man sau prieten \u0219i c\u0103 Ungaria trebuie s\u0103 se consolideze \u00een ciuda tuturor lucrurilor. Cu toate acestea, el crede c\u0103 r\u0103zboiul este o mare tragedie \u0219i o amenin\u021bare pentru ei. El a comparat r\u0103zboiul cu un film pe care \u00eel vedem cu to\u021bii, dar pe care \u00eel interpret\u0103m diferit. At\u00e2t Ungaria, c\u00e2t \u0219i Polonia au condamnat Rusia, au sprijinit Ucraina \u0219i s-au comportat omene\u0219te. Dar Europa trebuie s\u0103 dea dovad\u0103 de mai mult\u0103 unitate. El permite sprijinul militar pentru Ucraina, dar sanc\u021biunile economice trebuie recalculate. El a dat ca exemplu sanc\u021biunile din 2014 impuse Rusiei dup\u0103 anexarea Crimeei, care nu au avut niciun efect, ci doar pierderi grele pentru Ungaria, \u0219i totu\u0219i, 8 ani mai t\u00e2rziu, Rusia a atacat din nou. \u00cen opinia sa, logica Ungariei se bazeaz\u0103 pe pace. Nu conteaz\u0103 cine c\u00e2\u0219tig\u0103, este important s\u0103 se restabileasc\u0103 pacea, pentru c\u0103 este \u00een interesul Ungariei.<\/p>\n\n\n\n


La r\u00e2ndul s\u0103u, Zsolt N\u00e9meth a subliniat c\u0103 sanc\u021biunile sunt foarte importante, dar este de acord c\u0103 acestea trebuie recalculate. El a declarat c\u0103 avem de-a face cu un r\u0103zboi propagandistic \u0219i c\u0103 diferen\u021bele nu trebuie s\u0103 strice rela\u021biile foarte bune dintre Polonia \u0219i Ungaria, care s-au dezvoltat de-a lungul a o mie de ani, subliniind for\u021ba acestora. El a subliniat c\u0103 se teme foarte mult de recesiunea economic\u0103, care ar putea avea consecin\u021be tragice, \u0219i, prin urmare, a cerut \u00een\u021belegere din partea celeilalte p\u0103r\u021bi. El \u00ee\u0219i exprim\u0103 recuno\u0219tin\u021ba fa\u021b\u0103 de Marek Kuchci\u0144ski, pentru c\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd scrie despre acest subiect \u00een presa polonez\u0103, subliniaz\u0103 c\u0103 nu putem spune c\u0103 suntem diferi\u021bi, ci doar s\u0103 \u00eencerc\u0103m s\u0103 \u00een\u021belegem, iar Marek Kuchci\u0144ski \u00een\u021belege acest lucru. El consider\u0103 c\u0103, indiferent de sprijinul militar, este nevoie de diploma\u021bie. Rusia va continua s\u0103 fac\u0103 parte din lume \u0219i trebuie s\u0103 ac\u021bion\u0103m astfel \u00eenc\u00e2t s\u0103 continue s\u0103 fac\u0103 parte din lume, dar s\u0103 nu reprezinte o amenin\u021bare \u00een viitor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Marek Kuchci\u0144ski, mul\u021bumindu-i lui Zsolt Nemeth pentru c\u0103 a scris un articol \u00een presa polonez\u0103, deoarece clarific\u0103 pozi\u021bia maghiar\u0103 \u0219i \u00eencurajeaz\u0103 discu\u021biile. \u00cenc\u0103 o dat\u0103, \u00ee\u0219i exprim\u0103 satisfac\u021bia c\u0103 putem discuta subiecte at\u00e2t de serioase \u0219i interesante \u00een cadrul acestui panel. Liber cu liber, egal cu egal. Acesta este modul \u00een care trebuie s\u0103 construim Europa, pentru c\u0103 atunci c\u00e2nd aveam acest motto, vecinii no\u0219tri nu reprezentau o amenin\u021bare pentru noi. Acesta este modul \u00een care el ar vedea Uniunea European\u0103 - ca o Europ\u0103 a Patriei, nu ca o supunere la ideea unui superstat european. Aceasta este ceea ce ne une\u0219te \u0219i este ceea ce trebuie s\u0103 \u00een\u021belegem. Pre\u0219edintele Parlamentului a declarat c\u0103 este anacronic s\u0103 se cread\u0103 c\u0103 Ucraina ar trebui s\u0103 renun\u021be la o parte din teritoriul s\u0103u. Potrivit acestuia, principiul inviolabilit\u0103\u021bii frontierelor este incontestabil. \u00cen Ucraina se formeaz\u0103 o nou\u0103 na\u021biune, iar dac\u0103 cet\u0103\u021benii vorbitori de limb\u0103 rus\u0103 se ridic\u0103 \u00eempotriva unui agresor vorbitor de limb\u0103 rus\u0103, noi respect\u0103m acest lucru \u0219i de aceea sprijinim at\u00e2t de mult Ucraina.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ryszard Terlecki a luat cuv\u00e2ntul \u00een continuare, men\u021bion\u00e2nd c\u0103, de mul\u021bi ani, s-a promis c\u0103 Ucraina va fi acceptat\u0103 \u00een Uniunea European\u0103. Acela\u0219i lucru este valabil \u0219i pentru Muntenegru sau Macedonia, care, \u00een ciuda \u00eendeplinirii condi\u021biilor \u0219i a apartenen\u021bei la NATO, nu sunt \u00eenc\u0103 membre. Ca urmare a r\u0103zboiului, situa\u021bia s-a schimbat, iar Ucraina \u0219i toate celelalte \u021b\u0103ri au \u0219ansa de a adera la Uniune, deoarece vechea Uniune a \u00een\u021beles natura problemei. Schimb\u0103ri geopolitice uria\u0219e au loc sub ochii no\u0219tri. Europa Central\u0103 trebuie s\u0103 se accepte \u00een sf\u00e2r\u0219it pe sine. O reducere a produc\u021biei de c\u0103rbune \u0219i de energie atomic\u0103 a fost planificat\u0103 \u00een Uniune de foarte mult timp, iar sanc\u021biunile din cadrul Uniunii conduc, de asemenea, la acest lucru. \u00cen ciuda diferen\u021belor noastre, trebuie s\u0103 fim puternici, trebuie s\u0103 fim \u00eempreun\u0103 \u0219i s\u0103-i convingem \u0219i pe al\u021bii de acest lucru. La final, moderatorul panelului, profesorul Maciej Szymanowski, a luat cuv\u00e2ntul \u0219i \u0219i-a exprimat satisfac\u021bia pentru faptul c\u0103 o astfel de discu\u021bie, foarte serioas\u0103 \u0219i concret\u0103, tocmai a inaugurat Cluburile Carpathian Europe din Budapesta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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