{"id":27216,"date":"2023-01-02T10:18:10","date_gmt":"2023-01-02T09:18:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/?p=27216"},"modified":"2023-01-03T10:55:01","modified_gmt":"2023-01-03T09:55:01","slug":"pap-marek-kuchcinski-o-europie-karpat-polityka-na-miekko","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/cs\/wydarzenia\/pap-marek-kuchcinski-o-europie-karpat-polityka-na-miekko\/","title":{"rendered":"PAP. Marek Kuchci\u0144ski o Evrop\u011b Karpat: M\u011bkk\u00e1 politika"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: U\u017e l\u00e9ta pilotujete program s n\u00e1zvem Evropa Karpat, jeho\u017e c\u00edlem je v kostce pos\u00edlen\u00ed spolupr\u00e1ce mezi zem\u011bmi st\u0159edn\u00ed Evropy. Je to p\u011bkn\u00fd n\u00e1pad, ale zaj\u00edmalo by m\u011b, jestli je to re\u00e1ln\u00e9. Evropsk\u00e1 unie byla tak\u00e9 kr\u00e1sn\u00e1 p\u0159edstava o spolupr\u00e1ci n\u00e1rodn\u00edch st\u00e1t\u016f, ale uk\u00e1zalo se, \u017ee protich\u016fdn\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy jednotliv\u00fdch zem\u00ed tuto spolupr\u00e1ci velmi zt\u011b\u017euj\u00ed. Neboj\u00edte se, \u017ee Evropa Karpat m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt stejn\u00e1? Ostatn\u011b v\u00edme, \u017ee nap\u0159\u00edklad z\u00e1jmy Ma\u010farska nebo Srbska jsou jin\u00e9 ne\u017e t\u0159eba Polska nebo Rumunska.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Marek Kuchci\u0144ski: A to je v\u00fdzva - pos\u00edlit spolupr\u00e1ci evropsk\u00fdch zem\u00ed a z\u00e1rove\u0148 zachovat jejich rozmanit\u00e9 bohatstv\u00ed a hledat \u0159e\u0161en\u00ed v oblastech, kde je tato spolupr\u00e1ce obt\u00ed\u017en\u00e1. Realita je nav\u00edc velmi prom\u011bnliv\u00e1, v\u017edy\u0165 Slovensko bylo doned\u00e1vna pova\u017eov\u00e1no za prorusk\u00fd st\u00e1t a dnes pat\u0159\u00ed k zem\u00edm, kter\u00e9 nejv\u00edce podporuj\u00ed Ukrajinu, a to vojensky. Stejn\u011b tak \u010cesk\u00e1 republika. Bez ohledu na n\u011bkdy t\u011b\u017eko pochopiteln\u00fd pr\u016fb\u011bh ud\u00e1lost\u00ed v sou\u010dasn\u00e9 politice se ve st\u0159edn\u00ed Evrop\u011b v posledn\u00edch letech rozv\u00edj\u00ed pov\u011bdom\u00ed o vz\u00e1jemn\u00e9 prov\u00e1zanosti zem\u00ed tohoto regionu, kde \u00fasp\u011bch n\u011bkter\u00fdch zem\u00ed znamen\u00e1 v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed \u010di men\u0161\u00ed \u00fasp\u011bch, ale st\u00e1le \u00fasp\u011bch ostatn\u00edch. To je velk\u00fd kapit\u00e1l do budoucna.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Vr\u00e1t\u00edme-li se k Evrop\u011b Karpat \u2013 c\u00edl t\u00e9to iniciativy byl trochu abstraktn\u00ed a \u0159\u00edkejme tomu m\u011bkk\u00fd \u2013 umo\u017enit setk\u00e1n\u00ed a zv\u00e1t ke spolupr\u00e1ci r\u016fzn\u00e9 instituce, prost\u0159ed\u00ed i jednotlivce z osmi st\u0159edoevropsk\u00fdch zem\u00ed le\u017e\u00edc\u00edch v Karpatech. Spojuje n\u00e1s nejen geografie a \u00fazem\u00ed, ale i spole\u010dn\u00e1 t\u00e9mata soci\u00e1ln\u00ed, p\u0159\u00edrodn\u00ed, komunika\u010dn\u00ed a rozvojov\u00e9 politiky. Tyto vazby jsou ji\u017e pom\u011brn\u011b siln\u00e9, vezmeme-li v \u00favahu, \u017ee konference Karpatsk\u00e9 Evropy se konaj\u00ed pravideln\u011b ji\u017e 2 desetilet\u00ed, co\u017e z t\u00e9to akce \u010din\u00ed jednu z nejstar\u0161\u00edch v regionu a dokonce i v Evrop\u011b.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Historie sice ukazuje, \u017ee se Karpaty n\u011bkdy odd\u011blily, \u00fasp\u011b\u0161n\u011b br\u00e1nily ty, kte\u0159\u00ed \u017eij\u00ed na jihu proti r\u016fzn\u00fdm n\u00e1jezd\u016fm ze severu \u010di v\u00fdchodu, ale z\u00e1rove\u0148 tyto hory spojuj\u00ed \u2013 pr\u00e1v\u011b kv\u016fli z\u00e1jm\u016fm. Uvedu dva p\u0159\u00edklady. Prvn\u00ed: \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e1 ze zem\u00ed nach\u00e1zej\u00edc\u00edch se v t\u00e9to oblasti nebude schopna sama \u2013 z v\u00edcegenera\u010dn\u00ed perspektivy \u2013 zajistit pitnou vodu pro sv\u00e9 spole\u010dnosti.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: Karpaty jsou z\u00e1sob\u00e1rnou vody pro tuto \u010d\u00e1st Evropy.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Ano, je. A pouze mezin\u00e1rodn\u00ed spolupr\u00e1ce m\u016f\u017ee poskytnout dostate\u010dn\u00e9 zdroje tohoto \u201estrategick\u00e9ho zdroje pro lidi\u201c. A nejde jen o se\u0161l\u00e1pnut\u00ed r\u016fzn\u00fdch oblast\u00ed \u2013 jak je to vid\u011bt nap\u0159\u00edklad v Polsku nebo Ma\u010farsku, ale tak\u00e9 o zastaven\u00ed sni\u017eov\u00e1n\u00ed hladiny podzemn\u00edch vod, aby byly lesn\u00ed plochy schopny zadr\u017eovat vodu ve v\u011bt\u0161\u00ed m\u00ed\u0159e ne\u017e v sou\u010dasnosti, pop\u0159. p\u0159edch\u00e1zen\u00ed katastrof\u00e1ln\u00edm povodn\u00edm.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Druh\u00fd p\u0159\u00edklad je politicky vd\u011b\u010dn\u00fd a ideov\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00fd: jde o ochranu p\u0159\u00edrody a krajiny. Karpaty jsou oblast\u00ed, kter\u00e1 je v cel\u00e9 Evrop\u011b nejhojn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed na r\u016fzn\u00e9 druhy \u017eivo\u010dich\u016f a rostlin.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: Je zde tak\u00e9 spousta endemick\u00e9 vegetace, kter\u00e1 se nikde jinde nevyskytuje.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Proto je pot\u0159eba je chr\u00e1nit, a to nejen v omezen\u00fdch oblastech, jako jsou n\u00e1rodn\u00ed parky, jako je Tatransk\u00fd nebo Bieszczadsk\u00fd park \u2013 pravd\u011bpodobn\u011b jedin\u00e1 tripartitn\u00ed biosf\u00e9rick\u00e1 rezervace na sv\u011bt\u011b, kter\u00e1 se nach\u00e1z\u00ed ve t\u0159ech sousedn\u00edch zem\u00edch \u2013 nebo delta Dunaje. Podle m\u00e9ho n\u00e1zoru by v\u011bt\u0161ina \u00fazem\u00ed Karpat m\u011bla b\u00fdt chr\u00e1n\u011bna jako p\u0159\u00edrodn\u00ed a kulturn\u00ed d\u011bdictv\u00ed UNESCO. D\u016fle\u017eit\u00e1 je je\u0161t\u011b jedna v\u011bc \u2013 Karpaty maj\u00ed neb\u00fdvalou kulturn\u00ed, jazykovou, etnickou a etnografickou rozmanitost. A tak\u00e9 jedin\u00e1 sv\u011btov\u00e1 sakr\u00e1ln\u00ed d\u0159ev\u011bn\u00e1 architektura: kostely a pravoslavn\u00e9 kostely, \u010dasto sahaj\u00edc\u00ed a\u017e do st\u0159edov\u011bku. To si nev\u00e1\u017e\u00edme. \u0158\u00edk\u00e1me \u201eSlov\u00e1ci\u201c, \u201eMa\u010fa\u0159i\u201c, \u201eUkrajinci\u201c, \u201ePol\u00e1ci\u201c, \u201e\u010ce\u0161i\u201c, \u201eRumuni\u201c, \u201eSrbov\u00e9\u201c, \u201eChorvati\u201c, ale mezi nimi jsou tyto horalsk\u00e9 n\u00e1rody nebo etnick\u00e9 skupiny velmi r\u016fznorod\u00e9, a to i jazykov\u011b. To je jeden ze z\u00e1klad\u016f bohatstv\u00ed n\u00e1rod\u016f st\u0159edn\u00ed Evropy.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: N\u011bkdy sta\u010d\u00ed j\u00edt z jedn\u00e9 vesnice do druh\u00e9, tak\u00e9 v Polsku, abyste sly\u0161eli \u00fapln\u011b jin\u00fd jazyk. N\u011bkter\u00e9 &quot;mazurka&quot;, jin\u00e9 zm\u011bknou...<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: A tuto rozmanitost by m\u011bly zajistit v prvn\u00ed \u0159ad\u011b st\u00e1ty, ale i mezin\u00e1rodn\u00ed organizace - podle m\u00e9ho n\u00e1zoru by UNESCO m\u011blo chr\u00e1nit cel\u00e9 Karpaty: regiony Orawa, Spisz, Podhala\u0144skie, S\u0105deckie ... kultura Lach\u016f a horal\u016f od Beskyd po rumunskou Bukovinu ... Proto\u017ee ka\u017ed\u00e1 vesnice Ona je jin\u00e1. Pod\u00edv\u00e1me-li se na mapu Karpat shora, z velk\u00e9 vzd\u00e1lenosti, uvid\u00edme, \u017ee tato velk\u00e1 rozmanitost lid\u00ed, p\u0159\u00edrody a zvyk\u016f se nach\u00e1z\u00ed na mal\u00e9 plo\u0161e. V\u00edte, kolik nositel\u016f Nobelovy ceny dala st\u0159edn\u00ed Evropa sv\u011btu? T\u00e9m\u011b\u0159 80! Milan Kundera to vyj\u00e1d\u0159il tak hezky: maxim\u00e1ln\u00ed rozmanitost na minim\u00e1ln\u00edm \u00fazem\u00ed. A tak to je. Velk\u00e1 rozmanitost ve srovn\u00e1n\u00ed nap\u0159\u00edklad s n\u011bmecky mluv\u00edc\u00ed oblast\u00ed nebo Ruskem.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: I p\u0159es tuto karpatskou rozmanitost v\u0161ak poch\u00e1z\u00edme od spole\u010dn\u00fdch p\u0159edk\u016f - nap\u0159. Hucul\u016f, kte\u0159\u00ed chodili a zakl\u00e1dali osady.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Vala\u0161i a Huculov\u00e9, to je pravda. P\u0159ed n\u011bkolika lety jsem m\u011bl zaj\u00edmavou situaci v okol\u00ed Hoverly (nejvy\u0161\u0161\u00ed vrchol Beskyd - 2061 m nm - a nejvy\u0161\u0161\u00ed vrchol Ukrajiny): kdy\u017e jsme s p\u0159\u00edtelem vystupovali na horu, potkali jsme Hucula , horal v kab\u00e1t\u011b, se sekerou za opaskem a tlustou hol\u00ed, kr\u00e1\u010d\u00ed po horsk\u00e9 stezce . Pozdravili jsme ho polsky, on se zastavil a za\u010dal s n\u00e1mi mluvit l\u00e1manou \u201ehighlander Polish\u201c s madarsk\u00fdm p\u0159\u00edzvukem. Takov\u00e1 nic ne\u0159\u00edkaj\u00edc\u00ed, ale ze sentiment\u00e1ln\u00edch d\u016fvod\u016f roztomil\u00e1 v\u00fdm\u011bna typu \u201ejde\u0161 na vrchol, p\u0159\u00e1tel\u00e9? Je to dlouh\u00e1 cesta\u2026 kdy se vr\u00e1t\u00ed\u0161 atd.\u201c Vincenz\u016fv duch je st\u00e1le tam! Podobnou p\u0159\u00edhodu jsem m\u011bl koncem 70. let v Bieszczad\u00e1ch na svaz\u00edch Otrytu, kde je\u0161t\u011b nebyly stezky a sjezdovky se teprve za\u010daly stav\u011bt. A pr\u00e1v\u011b takov\u00e9 mal\u00e9 akce v kombinaci s kr\u00e1sou a rozmanitost\u00ed Karpat n\u00e1s p\u0159im\u011bly p\u0159em\u00fd\u0161let, jak je chr\u00e1nit. Tak\u00e9 tato n\u00e1dhern\u00e1 p\u0159\u00edroda, krajina, aby je neni\u010dila nepromy\u0161len\u00e1 infrastruktura. Rozhodli jsme se, \u017ee pr\u00e1v\u011b z t\u00e9to strany mus\u00edme do politiky vstoupit.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: M\u011bkk\u00fd?<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Ano, jen jemn\u011b, bez vnucov\u00e1n\u00ed n\u011bjak\u00fdch koncept\u016f vymy\u0161len\u00fdch \u00fa\u0159edn\u00edky a odborn\u00edky ostatn\u00edm, ale sp\u00ed\u0161e \u010derpat z lid\u00ed, inspirovat se jejich \u017eivotn\u00edmi zku\u0161enostmi, podn\u011bcovat v\u00fdm\u011bnu my\u0161lenek a n\u00e1pad\u016f. A to p\u0159in\u00e1\u0161\u00ed dobr\u00e9 v\u00fdsledky, proto\u017ee to umo\u017e\u0148uje sladit o\u010dek\u00e1v\u00e1n\u00ed obyvatel, jejich p\u0159irozenou pot\u0159ebu \u017e\u00edt v \u010dist\u00e9m a kr\u00e1sn\u00e9m prost\u0159ed\u00ed a z\u00e1rove\u0148 pln\u011bji realizovat politiku spolupr\u00e1ce mezi zem\u011bmi a regiony. Jedn\u00e1 se o konzervativn\u00ed p\u0159\u00edstup. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, \u017ee r\u016fzn\u00e9 zem\u011b maj\u00ed r\u016fzn\u00e9, n\u011bkdy protich\u016fdn\u00e9 z\u00e1jmy \u2013 politick\u00e9, ekonomick\u00e9 \u2013, ale obecn\u011b to neplat\u00ed pro dlouhodob\u00e9 z\u00e1le\u017eitosti, v\u010detn\u011b ochrany p\u0159\u00edrody, diverzity, p\u00e9\u010de o Karpaty.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: Vid\u011bl jste n\u011bjak\u00e9 \u00fasp\u011bchy souvisej\u00edc\u00ed s touto \u201em\u011bkkou\u201c karpatskou politikou? Proto\u017ee m\u011b napad\u00e1 jen Via Carpatia a karpatsk\u00fd redyk.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Dokonce jsem m\u011bl jednou nebo dvakr\u00e1t z\u00e1\u0161titu nad t\u011bmito tahy ovc\u00ed v Karpatech po Vala\u0161sk\u00e9 stezce, je to skv\u011bl\u00e1 iniciativa. Jsou ale i jin\u00e9, nezm\u011b\u0159iteln\u011bj\u0161\u00ed \u00fasp\u011bchy, jako je budov\u00e1n\u00ed klimatu a pozitivn\u00ed atmosf\u00e9ry pro spolupr\u00e1ci. Domn\u00edv\u00e1m se, \u017ee Visegr\u00e1dsk\u00e1 skupina po roce 2010 jednozna\u010dn\u011b pos\u00edlila, zejm\u00e9na ve vztaz\u00edch s Evropskou uni\u00ed \u2013 pro na\u0161e vl\u00e1dy bylo jednodu\u0161\u0161\u00ed jednat spole\u010dn\u011b, kdy\u017e byla politick\u00e1 atmosf\u00e9ra pozitivn\u00ed. Jej\u00edm dal\u0161\u00edm efektem je do jist\u00e9 m\u00edry Iniciativa t\u0159\u00ed mo\u0159\u00ed a obecn\u011b nasm\u011brov\u00e1n\u00ed pozornosti na spolupr\u00e1ci ve st\u0159edn\u00ed Evrop\u011b na severoji\u017en\u00ed linii, p\u0159ekra\u010duj\u00edc\u00ed hranice EU, Schengenu \u010di euroz\u00f3ny. Vztahy s Ukrajinou rozv\u00edj\u00edme \u0159adu let. Cht\u011bli jsme spolupr\u00e1ci vedenou nejen mezi vl\u00e1dami, prezidenty, parlamenty, ale tak\u00e9 na r\u016fzn\u00fdch dal\u0161\u00edch \u00farovn\u00edch \u2013 m\u00edstn\u00edmi \u00fa\u0159ady, nevl\u00e1dn\u00edmi organizacemi, m\u00edstn\u00edmi samospr\u00e1vami, univerzitami, m\u00edstn\u00edmi a region\u00e1ln\u00edmi komunitami. Jsou to \u00fa\u017easn\u00e1 setk\u00e1n\u00ed, tak bl\u00edzk\u00e1. Pamatuji si, jak v podkarpatsk\u00e9 Evrop\u011b ve W\u0119giersk\u00e9 G\u00f3rce matka brat\u0159\u00ed Golecov\u00fdch vypr\u00e1v\u011bla, jak je vychov\u00e1vala, jak vedla d\u016fm. Mluvila kr\u00e1sn\u00fdm m\u00edstn\u00edm jazykem a lid\u00e9 ji poslouchali jako kouzlo.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: V\u011bd\u011bli jste, \u017ee letos 21. dubna se v obci W\u0119gierska G\u00f3rka konal jubilejn\u00ed 10. dikt\u00e1t dialogu \u201eHoralova d\u016fstojnost se nikdy neztrat\u00ed\u201c. Horalov\u00e9 si v\u00e1\u017e\u00ed sv\u00e9 \u0159e\u010di, ale tak\u00e9 tance a hudby.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Obyvatel\u00e9 Karpat jsou hrd\u00ed na sv\u00e9 d\u011bdictv\u00ed, jsou na n\u011bj hrd\u00ed. Maj\u00ed je\u0161t\u011b jednu v\u011bc, kter\u00e9 si velmi v\u00e1\u017e\u00edm: velk\u00fd respekt k p\u0159\u00edrod\u011b. V genech maj\u00ed vtisknuto, \u017ee pokud \u017eijete v p\u0159\u00edrod\u011b, mus\u00edte ji chr\u00e1nit a respektovat, hledat v \u017eivot\u011b harmonii a \u010derpat inspiraci, tak\u00e9 v um\u011bn\u00ed.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Princip udr\u017eiteln\u00e9ho rozvoje je pro n\u00e1s v Pr\u00e1vu a spravedlnosti ch\u00e1p\u00e1n nejen jako rovnom\u011brn\u00fd rozvoj v\u0161ech region\u016f Polska, ale tak\u00e9 jako rovnov\u00e1ha mezi ekologi\u00ed a ekonomikou. Ne v\u017edy se n\u00e1m to da\u0159\u00ed, ale sna\u017e\u00edme se, sna\u017e\u00edme.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ji\u017e zm\u00edn\u011bn\u00e9 dobr\u00e9 klima pro spolupr\u00e1ci je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 i proto, \u017ee dodnes, v 21. stolet\u00ed, m\u016f\u017eeme vid\u011bt dopady letit\u00e9ho setrv\u00e1n\u00ed v rus\u00ednsk\u00e9 z\u00f3n\u011b na na\u0161e zem\u011b: doned\u00e1vna se na\u0161e spolupr\u00e1ce omezovala v podstat\u011b na m\u00edstn\u00ed z\u00e1le\u017eitosti, pod\u00edvali jsme se na sebe podez\u0159\u00edvav\u011b. Sov\u011btsk\u00e1 okupace zp\u016fsobila, \u017ee jsme ztratili pov\u011bdom\u00ed o na\u0161em dlouhodob\u00e9m sousedstv\u00ed a spole\u010dn\u00e9 historii. Nyn\u00ed je mo\u017en\u00e9 a nutn\u00e9 tuto st\u0159edoevropskou identitu znovu vybudovat a takov\u00e1 neform\u00e1ln\u00ed setk\u00e1n\u00ed jsou k tomu dobrou p\u0159\u00edle\u017eitost\u00ed. Konference Evropy Karpat usnad\u0148uj\u00ed setk\u00e1n\u00ed a dialog, co\u017e znamen\u00e1, \u017ee hranice ji\u017e nejsou psychologickou bari\u00e9rou. Ale v\u0161e je je\u0161t\u011b p\u0159ed n\u00e1mi, proto\u017ee to je pr\u00e1ce pro generace \u2013 dos\u00e1hnout situace, kter\u00e1 je v alpsk\u00e9 oblasti, na n\u011bmecko-francouzsk\u00e9 hranici nebo v zem\u00edch Beneluxu.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Ale u\u017e jsme se stihli vr\u00e1tit k rozhovor\u016fm o budov\u00e1n\u00ed spole\u010dn\u00e9 silni\u010dn\u00ed infrastruktury v severoji\u017en\u00ed \u010d\u00e1sti Evropy - m\u00e1m na mysli Via Carpatia, jej\u00ed\u017e my\u0161lenka byla ozn\u00e1mena na za\u010d\u00e1tku 90. let., tuto iniciativu jsme udr\u017eeli po celou dobu \u010das, aby se k n\u011bmu vr\u00e1til v roce 2015. My\u0161lenka Via Carpatia nebyla zpo\u010d\u00e1tku my\u0161lena v\u00e1\u017en\u011b, \u010dasto jsem sl\u00fdch\u00e1val \u201enejprve mus\u00ed existovat ekonomick\u00fd argument pro jej\u00ed vybudov\u00e1n\u00ed\u201c, tedy kolik aut po t\u00e9to silnici projede \u2013 v t\u00e9 dob\u011b neexistovala rychlostn\u00ed silnice mezi Lublinem a Rzesz\u00f3wem \u2013 auta denn\u011b projedou. A uk\u00e1zalo se, \u017ee to nesta\u010d\u00ed k tomu, aby byla stavba d\u00e1lnice rentabiln\u00ed. Sna\u017eili jsme se tehdej\u0161\u00ed vl\u00e1dce p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010dit, \u017ee tento argument je druho\u0159ad\u00fd, nejprve by m\u011blo padnout politick\u00e9 rozhodnut\u00ed, proto\u017ee teprve a\u017e postav\u00edme slu\u0161nou silnici, budeme moci mluvit o zv\u00fd\u0161en\u00e9m provozu, zat\u00edmco politicky jde o - za prv\u00e9 \u2013 spojovat severn\u00ed Evropu a pobaltsk\u00e9 st\u00e1ty a za druh\u00e9 \u2013 v\u011bd\u011bt, \u017ee Via Carpatia povede v\u00fdchodn\u00edm Polskem, tedy ekonomicky m\u00e9n\u011b rozvinut\u00fdmi oblastmi, zp\u016fsob\u00ed, \u017ee se ka\u017ed\u00fd kilometr dobr\u00e9 silnice prom\u011bn\u00ed ve st\u00e1l\u00e1 pracovn\u00ed m\u00edsta \u2013 to byl n\u00e1\u0161 v\u00fdpo\u010det.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: Via Carpatia nen\u00ed omezena pouze na jednu silnici.<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Ano, m\u00e1 to b\u00fdt j\u00e1dro cel\u00e9 s\u00edt\u011b pobo\u010dek vedouc\u00edch nap\u0159\u00edklad do Gda\u0148sku nebo Od\u011bsy. Ale nejen tato silnice m\u00e1 spojit sever s jihem Evropy. My\u0161lenka, kter\u00e1 se ji\u017e dokon\u010duje, p\u0159edpokl\u00e1d\u00e1 i vznik vysokorychlostn\u00ed \u017eeleznice Var\u0161ava-Brno-Bratislava-Budape\u0161\u0165 a pak mo\u017en\u00e1 d\u00e1l a\u017e do B\u011blehradu. Pro za\u010d\u00e1tek budete moci dojet do Budape\u0161ti za p\u00e1r hodin. V Rakousku-Uhersku jste se vlakem dostali ze Lvova do Krakova za t\u0159i hodiny, nemluv\u011b o Budape\u0161ti \u2013 a\u010dkoli to bylo p\u0159ed 100 lety \u2013 ne? Dnes m\u00e1me ambici\u00f3zn\u00ed pl\u00e1ny, chceme, aby p\u0159es Podkarpacie a Malopolsko vedly dal\u0161\u00ed silnice a \u017eeleznice na jih, nap\u0159\u00edklad v Malhowic\u00edch, Now\u00e9m \u0141upkow\u011b a Muszyn\u011b, p\u0159es Slovensko, Ma\u010farsko a d\u00e1le. \u00dasp\u011bchem je i v\u00fdstavba silnice S3 na jih v z\u00e1padn\u00edm Polsku a ve W\u0119gierska G\u00f3rka, tedy ve \u015al\u0105sku \u017bywiecki a Cieszyn\u011b, dokon\u010dujeme d\u00e1lnici na jih... Ano, trv\u00e1 to mnoho let a na\u0161\u00ed \u00falohou je p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010dit vl\u00e1dy, kter\u00e9 ne v\u017edy up\u0159ednost\u0148uj\u00ed takov\u00e9 projekty, aby na nich spolupracovaly. Li\u0161\u00ed se to, nap\u0159\u00edklad jsou probl\u00e9my se slovenskou vl\u00e1dou, kter\u00e1 n\u011bjak v\u00e1h\u00e1, jestli se m\u00e1 anga\u017eovat ve Via Carpatia. Slov\u00e1ci zat\u00edm dokon\u010den\u00ed stavby n\u011bkolika des\u00edtek kilometr\u016f dlouh\u00e9ho \u00faseku odkl\u00e1daj\u00ed na dal\u0161\u00ed roky, co\u017e zt\u011b\u017euje komunikaci.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: Mo\u017en\u00e1 te\u010f, kdy\u017e Evropsk\u00e1 unie uznala Via Carpatia jako kl\u00ed\u010dovou komunika\u010dn\u00ed cestu, stavba za\u010dne?<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Ano, m\u016f\u017ee to Slov\u00e1ky povzbudit, proto\u017ee na to dostanou dal\u0161\u00ed prost\u0159edky - n\u011bkolik set milion\u016f eur, tak\u017ee to nebudou muset stav\u011bt z vlastn\u00edho rozpo\u010dtu, ale z fond\u016f EU - a to je \u0161ance p\u0159esv\u011bd\u010dit Sloven\u0161t\u00ed p\u0159\u00e1tel\u00e9, aby to ud\u011blali, aby tato cesta byla prioritou.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\">PAP: Jak souvis\u00ed Evropa Karpat s my\u0161lenkou Iniciativy t\u0159\u00ed mo\u0159\u00ed?<\/mark><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: Iniciativa t\u0159\u00ed mo\u0159\u00ed je organizace zalo\u017een\u00e1 na z\u00e1klad\u011b dohody mezi vl\u00e1dami a prezidenty 12 zem\u00ed Evropsk\u00e9 unie, d\u00edky n\u00ed\u017e vznikl fond na podporu projekt\u016f vytv\u00e1\u0159ej\u00edc\u00edch dopravn\u00ed, energetickou a digit\u00e1ln\u00ed infrastrukturu v regionu. Vyz\u00fdv\u00e1me ji tak\u00e9, aby se otev\u0159ela zem\u00edm mimo EU \u2013 Balk\u00e1nu a V\u00fdchodn\u00edmu partnerstv\u00ed. Iniciativa t\u0159\u00ed mo\u0159\u00ed \u2013 3M \u2013 je nicm\u00e9n\u011b pr\u00e1vn\u011b schv\u00e1len\u00fdm subjektem financovan\u00fdm ve form\u011b fondu, kter\u00fd je \u010dist\u011b komer\u010dn\u00ed \u2013 neexistuj\u00ed \u017e\u00e1dn\u00e9 st\u00e1tn\u00ed dotace. Karpatsk\u00e1 Evropa je naproti tomu platformou pro setk\u00e1n\u00ed a rozhovory na v\u0161echna t\u00e9mata, obt\u00ed\u017en\u00e1 i snadn\u00e1, kde m\u016f\u017eete diskutovat a vyjedn\u00e1vat r\u016fzn\u00e9 z\u00e1le\u017eitosti bez rigidn\u00edch procedur a diplomatick\u00fdch protokol\u016f. Tento nedostatek formalismu usnad\u0148uje dialog a je v\u0161eobecn\u011b zn\u00e1mo, \u017ee mnoho z\u00e1le\u017eitost\u00ed se v EU \u0159e\u0161\u00ed tak\u00e9 v z\u00e1kulis\u00ed, nikoli b\u011bhem jedn\u00e1n\u00ed, kter\u00e1 jsou zaznamen\u00e1v\u00e1na do z\u00e1pis\u016f. Nav\u00edc se tento dialog t\u00fdk\u00e1 i zem\u00ed mimo Evropskou unii, jako je Ukrajina. V sou\u010dasn\u00e9m kontextu rusk\u00e9 agrese a v\u00e1lky na Ukrajin\u011b je to obzvl\u00e1\u0161t\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee proto p\u0159\u00ed\u0161t\u00ed setk\u00e1n\u00ed Evropy Karpat v \u00fanoru p\u0159\u00ed\u0161t\u00edho roku bude je\u0161t\u011b d\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, zejm\u00e9na pro zem\u011b soused\u00edc\u00ed s Ukrajinou.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-vivid-cyan-blue-color\"><strong>PAP: M\u00e1 Polsko vedouc\u00ed roli v Evrop\u011b Karpat?<\/strong><\/mark><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MK: V d\u011bjin\u00e1ch Polska, od po\u010d\u00e1tku dynastie Piastovc\u016f, je jedno obdob\u00ed velmi zaj\u00edmav\u00e9 z ekonomick\u00fdch a politick\u00fdch d\u016fvod\u016f: \u010dasy Polsko-litevsk\u00e9ho spole\u010denstv\u00ed a pak na chv\u00edli - T\u0159i n\u00e1rody. Tento parlamentarismus byl zalo\u017een mimo jin\u00e9 na na stejn\u00e9 \u00farovni, zdarma s voln\u00fdm. V\u011b\u0159\u00edm, \u017ee i dnes m\u016f\u017ee tento princip p\u0159in\u00e9st ty nejlep\u0161\u00ed v\u00fdsledky ve spolupr\u00e1ci zem\u00ed st\u0159edn\u00ed Evropy. Pokud by n\u011bjak\u00e1 zem\u011b m\u011bla pocit, \u017ee je s n\u00ed zach\u00e1zeno druhotn\u011b, rad\u011bji by nebyla ochotna spolupracovat. V Evropsk\u00e9 unii bojujeme za to, aby na\u0161e \u010d\u00e1st Evropy v\u010detn\u011b Polska nebyla pova\u017eov\u00e1na za druhotn\u00fd koloni\u00e1ln\u00ed dopln\u011bk \u2013 chceme, aby se k n\u00e1m p\u0159istupovalo jako k rovn\u00fdm a svobodn\u00fdm se svobodn\u00fdmi. Podobn\u011b v Evrop\u011b Karpat. Sice Slov\u00e1ci, \u010ce\u0161i, Ma\u010fa\u0159i \u2013 tyto zem\u011b jsou mnohem men\u0161\u00ed ne\u017e Polsko, ale kdybychom jim dali najevo, \u017ee z tohoto d\u016fvodu bychom m\u011bli b\u00fdt d\u016fle\u017eit\u011bj\u0161\u00ed, na\u0161e spolupr\u00e1ce by se nerozv\u00edjela. N\u011bmci by m\u011bli v\u00edce v\u00fdhod ne\u017e my. Ale kdy\u017e spolu spolupracujeme ve st\u0159edn\u00ed Evrop\u011b, a\u010dkoliv jsme jeden z nejslab\u0161\u00edch region\u016f z hlediska konkurence, rozv\u00edj\u00edme se nejrychleji, a to i v celosv\u011btov\u00e9m m\u011b\u0159\u00edtku!<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><a href=\"https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1.jpg\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"719\" src=\"https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1-1024x719.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-27219\" srcset=\"https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1-1024x719.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1-300x211.jpg 300w, https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1-768x539.jpg 768w, https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1-1536x1078.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1-18x12.jpg 18w, https:\/\/marekkuchcinski.pl\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/01\/Europa-Karpat-Krasiczyn-1.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption><em>Konference Evropa Karpat, Krasiczyn, \u00fanor 2022, foto: M. 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